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02 Sep 2023 22:21:55
Caicedo very unimpressive. Why did we spend 100 on an unproven man.
1.) 03 Sep 2023 04:17:44
Maybe because he is not “unproven”.
Brighton didn’t want to sell him a Liverpool offered £110m for this so called “unproven” player.
25 Aug 2023 00:45:35
A New Financial Fairplay forecast shows us to be over 200m in the red for a record breach. Just under twice the limit.
Does anybody still want to say our spending has been mature? Because all I see is complete and utterly amateur business being done.
Bit of a shame. I dislike breaking rules.
1.) 25 Aug 2023 03:13:43
Have our new owners broken any rules?
If they have, I’m sure the club will be punished.
The Swiss Ramble just gave an updated summary and a lot of people see them as being reasonable judges.
I mentioned before how I feel the term is almost “weaponised”.
Maybe if people have some evidence they should become whistleblowers to the authorities.
2.) 25 Aug 2023 07:07:35
Alexander, the club employ people to scrutinise and access these things, and they no doubt advise the board and management. Yes the club have spent huge money, but, they have also sold over 200 million in players this window with possibly more to come.
I am not (and would never claim to be) an expert, but I feel the club spotted a loophole that aligned with their Vision 2030 project and with long contracts allowing amortisation over a longer period of time (which has continued this window until rule changes come in) has allowed the club to conduct a squad rebuild in 1 year rather than 10 years if 4 and 5 year contracts were agreed with new players purchased. The fact that Caicedo and Lavia chose to join us (with no European football this year) only emphasizes the clubs vision.
So I would say, whilst some on this site only see the here and now, others see the long term vision.
So Alexander I see the club has been very professional (rather than amateur, your words) in their dealings, so will be interesting to see whether your half empty glass or my half full glass wins out.
Lets have another chat after Luton, Forrest and an international window!
Only want to say, although we sometimes disagree on here, we all actually only want the best for our club!
3.) 25 Aug 2023 08:46:18
Kiwi, this is the same poster who wanted our new owners OUT.
I think he might have a bit of an agenda but ho hum!
4.) 25 Aug 2023 08:59:14
We are still in the process of selling players
Lukaku
Gallagher
Chalobah
Just sold hall
Kepa will be sold
Must be guts of 200 mill there.
5.) 25 Aug 2023 11:23:34
Thankyou for a good reply kiwi Pete. My English is not the best so I hope I have not been misunderstand. Tom, the same. I don't want the new owners to leave but I am unsure about the strategy of spending 1 billion pounds and still missing a goalkeeper, a striker and a winger. Not sure about it at all. Spending 40 million on a 3rd choice keeper and a mls keeper while selling 2 ucl winners for 17 million is bad business at best. Signing million players to our bloated squad with no hope to ecer play for first team is also strange.
Thankyou Pete. Just worried and afraid of our club being finished because it is certainly a possible ending if these players end up flops and we can't sell them just like lukaku and cucurella and mendy ziyech.
6.) 25 Aug 2023 12:07:20
Of course it could be my poor memory but I’m sure it was you wanted our present owners out.
Sanchez did not cost £40m
You continue to quote our gross spend over three windows and NEVER the nett spend and you don’t see any spend on players, that was overdue, as an investment.
I maybe an old cynic but your English seems to be deteriorating from post to post.
7.) 25 Aug 2023 14:33:45
Further to my above post. I now see you were referring to £40m being spent on two keepers, not on Sanchez.
I also note on your post below how fluent your English was is that post but more importantly my memory hasn’t played tricks on me. You did make a call for TB OUT.
8.) 25 Aug 2023 13:38:23
Ed002 - should we be worried? :o.
{Ed002's Note - No.}
9.) 25 Aug 2023 17:13:57
Thanks for the reply, Ed. I did of course trust that the management knows what they're doing, but always nice to get reassurance. Have a nice weekend!
23 Aug 2023 02:16:03
I think we must be honest with our selfs. The spending this club has made has been an enormous and tragic mistake. The club has spent 1 billion. And we are not better. The club has made a colossal mistake. I don't think Boehly knows what he's doing. I think he's been advised very poorly. I think we must be honest with ourselves and not be positive for positive sake.
90m on mudryk was a very very poor signing. 1/ 10
115 on Caicedo was a very poor signing due to the fee. 4/ 10
Lavia was not needed. 3/ 10
Sanchez and petrovic are both worse than kepa. 40m for two keepers worse than one we sent away for 1m. 0.5/ 10
Disasi is worse than chalobah. 1/ 10
The spending has been utterly abysmal and I'm sorry I can not stand here and say anything other than honesty. We have blown a billion and we look a worse team than under Thomas Tichel. Time for Boehly to go.
1.) 23 Aug 2023 06:12:55
Absolute nonsense, just here to troll again! How many accounts have you actually got KingFrank? Embarrassing!
2.) 23 Aug 2023 07:08:39
Any fan/ poster can have an opinion and I personally welcome all views and I live a debate.
Our new owners have taken on the long overdue player rebuild of our club, not every player they have signed will be a success but that is the same at every club.
I’m happy with the vast majority of our signings and I’m also happy to have said goodbye to certain players.
The time to make a judgement on lots of issues will be at the end of the season not after the debacle of last season and two games of this.
Just one more point, I came out of the ground after the Liverpool game feeling very pleased with our performance but just as importantly thoroughly entertained. This hasn’t been the case for nearly two years at the bridge.
3.) 23 Aug 2023 07:34:42
I thank you Tom. for being able to discuss something if you even disagree it.
We did do a big rebuild. However the rebuild we did was unsuccessful. We have spent 1 billion pounds. With that we are still missing a goalkeeper a striker and a right winger. How is this possible.
We could have made smarter signings. Declan rice instead of caicedo and lavia. We could have signed maignan or another good keeper for 70 instead of cucurella, petrovic and Sanchez. We could have signed a good striker instead of mudrik, ugochukwu and disasi.
I do not understand what the plan has been. Half of these player we have signed will never see first time football. We also sold hall who is better than cucurella but because he didn't cost us 63 million pounds cucurella gets to stay.
Would like to know what the very knowledgeable eds think about it Ll.
{Ed001's Note - isn't Hall on loan?}
4.) 23 Aug 2023 08:30:36
30m option to buy. I think he is gone. Unfortunately I think we blocked his path to the team with cucurella and ugochukwu.
5.) 23 Aug 2023 08:49:53
Petrovic hasn't even played a game for us and you've written him off already. Unbelievable!
6.) 23 Aug 2023 08:52:22
I think Hall will prove to be a mistake but mistakes happen in all clubs. We are certainly not alone on that front.
The players we have signed are almost all young in footers and we will have to wait and see how they progress for seasons to come judging the majority of them on two games int a season is bizarre.
Little point in making comparisons to players we might have signed and drawing comparisons. Rice would have been one of my top choices but he chose to go elsewhere, these things happen.
Given the rebuild and the initial mistakes made, apparently from poor advice, I think the rebuild has been remarkably well handled.
A little bit like the term term FFP the amount we have spent so in recent windows will be “weaponised” against us. It obviously doesn’t suit you or others to quote NETT spend or just to consider the rebuild as an investment.
I am a Chelsea supporter who admits to having the occasional biased opinion but I do NOT have an agenda.
7.) 23 Aug 2023 09:33:10
Tom. I agree far too early to make judgements and sweeping statements about our transfers but I am confident that Caicedo and Lavia will be big players for us for seasons to come. I do agree, however, that we have fudged the goalkeeping issue we should have spent money on a top class keeper. Sanchez is a no 2 at best.
8.) 23 Aug 2023 10:22:31
Jimbo. Sanchez can be judged over the season and we can also surely reserve judgement on a keeper we haven’t even seen play for us yet. He could well prove to be brilliant and a bargain.
I can so no advantage in rushing to judge. It seems to be a common theme with society these days!
9.) 23 Aug 2023 10:34:55
I’m not rushing to judgement, Sanchez is not new to the PL, he is what he is. He isn’t going to turn into a top class keeper just because we bought him.
10.) 23 Aug 2023 10:46:51
I believe that once we have all players back from injury and the team gels, we have the best young squad in the premiership that will service us well for a few years to come.
Any further transfers after this window will be tweaks.
11.) 23 Aug 2023 10:50:17
I totally get the sentiments of the poster who started this thread. Declan Rice (for instance) strode head and shoulders above everyone on the pitch the other night, an absolute lion, I don’t think I seen one Palace player get past or round him. Our lad who is £5-10m more expensive, looked like a U-16 coming onto the pitch and then made mistake after mistake he was horrendous. What further worries me was I can’t help but think that If he had made the move to Liverpool he would have had such a stinker in his fist game. Poxh should probably not have made the sub, but he is the most expensive player in English football, so I can’t really lay that at the managers door. Re Hall? Once again it is a YA player that gets chased whilst the fans have to tolerate £60m players who are just not up to it. Re Kepa? the club are well rid, Mendy apart, who we equally wretched, I do not have one issue with whoever goes in the goal, it has NEVER crossed my mind that “I wish” Kepa was in goal when Chelsea line up. He was absolutely awful. All that said. I agree with TomB, the football is good. Two areas that I think need addressing though, need to start and finish games better.
12.) 23 Aug 2023 11:01:21
I had zero interest in us signing Lukaku but as soon as he became a Chelsea player I supported him and judged him on his Chelsea performances.
Sanchez has had two games for us and done nothing wrong plus he looks useful with the ball at his feet.
He will obviously make mistakes as all players do and that will bring out the “I told you so” brigade.
I was also never a fan of Rudi but I have to admit his last season’s performances deserved credit and praise and that’s what I gave him. I left my agenda/ biased opinions behind and judged him on his performance for the club.
13.) 23 Aug 2023 11:15:12
I'm confused by why people think Declan Rice would've accepted a move to Chelsea? This isn't FIFA or Football Manager. People have free will. There's a really good article in the Athletic today that looks at why it takes more than money to seal a big transfer. Worth a read.
Caicedo hasn't played for ages, hasn't trained. Yes, it wasn't a good debut, but these things happen. Was he brilliant for Brighton last year? Yes, he was.
{Ed002's Note - He was from the Chelsea academy.}
14.) 23 Aug 2023 12:22:40
FD1977 the wonderful editors have told us many times that chelsea didn't even attempt to go for declan rice I think I recall them saying he'd go back to chelsea if given the choice but for whatever reason we went for an unproven 21 year old instead.
15.) 23 Aug 2023 12:29:20
Tom, obviously views differ but I do not agree that Sanchez is good with his feet, he passed the ball to a Liverpool player in first game and should have got something on the ball for their goal. Stephen it has crossed my mind that I wish Cech it Courtois was in goal.
16.) 23 Aug 2023 13:12:38
We all see game’s differently but he had no chance with the scouser goal and his distribution so far has generally been excellent. Two footed and that surprised me!
As I’ve said he will be no different from any other player in that he will make mistakes but not so far.
I had no desire to be proved right about Lukaku. I wanted him to succeed and I supported him while he played for our club. I desperately wanted to be proved wrong.
17.) 23 Aug 2023 13:21:30
Why is Caicedo “unproven”? Maybe he wasn’t excellent last season maybe the scousers and others didn’t want to sign?
Two games into a season and 30mins of play by the above mentioned player and it’s all gloom.
I suppose we now have a first for this season. We have a poster/ fan who wants our owners out already.
Totally mind blowing. It’s obvious you have an agenda and that’s ok but have a reasonable agenda FGS.
18.) 23 Aug 2023 13:55:54
Tom, once again we have to agree to disagree; at least we have nailed our colours to the mast. I enjoy a good debate. I have always believed that to compete at the highest level a team needs a top class striker and goalie. I hoped that we would have filled one of these positions but I accept that these are the two most difficult areas to recruit. As for keepers, we were fortunate enough in recent years to have Cech and Courtois and since then the recruitment has been disappointing. I was surprised that we didn’t consider Raya as our first choice keeper; he is a very good keeper with no real weaknesses.
19.) 23 Aug 2023 15:10:48
Jimbo, please tell about the goalkeeper we have just signed?
You seem to have very readily written him off as well. He hasn’t even kicked a ball or saved a shot.
Lots of people didn’t think Cech would be first choice in his first season given how Carlo had been performing and Courtois went on loan before he became first choice.
FGS give these players a reasonable chance.
20.) 23 Aug 2023 16:58:07
Agree with you 100% Tom.
21.) 23 Aug 2023 17:29:22
Tom, we haven’t signed a new keeper yet. If you are referring to the Serbian lad, I have never heard of him or seen him play, I’ll let you know if he gets a chance in between the sticks.
22.) 23 Aug 2023 17:55:23
Tom not sure how Cech and Courtois relate to Sanchez; they were both world class keepers. My recollection was that is was clear that Cech was brought in to replace cuducini as first choice. Courtois did go on loan but it was always than plan that he would succeed Cech as No1.
23.) 23 Aug 2023 18:10:01
So nice that we will have a keeper who might be given a chance to impress.
I’m convinced that some on this site are more interested in being proved right rather than have a player being a success.
If we get beat on Friday we will have them all coming out with “I told you so” crap. I’m sure some people just thrive on negativity!
24.) 23 Aug 2023 19:22:54
Jimbo, you were the poster who brought up Cech and Courtois not me.
It was NOT a given that Big Pete would take over from Carlo as No1. In fact Jose let the debate play out in the media. I was shocked when Jose made his choice as Carlo was very good for us.
Of course it was hoped that Courtois would become our No1 but he was NOT when he originally signed and and went on loan for game time. It was only after that loan did he come back as our No1.
25.) 23 Aug 2023 19:08:52
Tom, accusing people of negatively is an old chestnut to respond to issues. I am simply expressing the opinion that Sanchez is not of the quality to take us forward in a position that I consider to be important- you are entitled to disagree- just because you do doesn’t make my opinion negative. It is highly unlikely that we will lose to Luton: if we do it probably won’t be down to him as I don’t expect he will have much to do.
26.) 23 Aug 2023 20:10:34
jimbo, I can’t think of another word to describe some posters opinions other than negative.
I love differing opinions and the debate that follows but I find a debate about a player who has only played two games for us and done nothing wrong rather debilitating.
He will be no different to any other player, he will make mistakes. We will see how posters react when it eventually happens!
27.) 23 Aug 2023 21:16:26
Tom, you don’t have to describe other people’s opinions; you either agree or disagree with them and provide your own opinion or counter arguments.
28.) 24 Aug 2023 10:28:40
Totally disagree.
How interesting it would be if posters just said I “disagree” with a posters opinions without giving the reason.
How boring is it when a poster puts up an opinion/ statement without giving his reasons or evidence.
29.) 25 Aug 2023 16:24:09
Tom, that’s whaI said: “ provide your own opinion or counter argument “. However, going on about people being negative or having an agenda is not evidence.
30.) 26 Aug 2023 22:37:11
Jimbo, of course it is “evidence” if the vast majority of posts from an individual are broadly negative then the general views of that person on that topic must be construed as negative.
Likewise if someone is so locked into a solid view I think the adjective “agenda” can readily be described as an agenda.
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01 Sep 2023 00:49:51
Absolutely senseless by the club if they sell Gallagher.
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01 Sep 2023 12:51:17
Yep. He was playing well for the club should have just kept him. Instead, we signed 3 CDM's.
25 Aug 2023 11:23:34
Thankyou for a good reply kiwi Pete. My English is not the best so I hope I have not been misunderstand. Tom, the same. I don't want the new owners to leave but I am unsure about the strategy of spending 1 billion pounds and still missing a goalkeeper, a striker and a winger. Not sure about it at all. Spending 40 million on a 3rd choice keeper and a mls keeper while selling 2 ucl winners for 17 million is bad business at best. Signing million players to our bloated squad with no hope to ecer play for first team is also strange.
Thankyou Pete. Just worried and afraid of our club being finished because it is certainly a possible ending if these players end up flops and we can't sell them just like lukaku and cucurella and mendy ziyech.
23 Aug 2023 12:22:40
FD1977 the wonderful editors have told us many times that chelsea didn't even attempt to go for declan rice I think I recall them saying he'd go back to chelsea if given the choice but for whatever reason we went for an unproven 21 year old instead.
23 Aug 2023 08:30:36
30m option to buy. I think he is gone. Unfortunately I think we blocked his path to the team with cucurella and ugochukwu.
23 Aug 2023 07:34:42
I thank you Tom. for being able to discuss something if you even disagree it.
We did do a big rebuild. However the rebuild we did was unsuccessful. We have spent 1 billion pounds. With that we are still missing a goalkeeper a striker and a right winger. How is this possible.
We could have made smarter signings. Declan rice instead of caicedo and lavia. We could have signed maignan or another good keeper for 70 instead of cucurella, petrovic and Sanchez. We could have signed a good striker instead of mudrik, ugochukwu and disasi.
I do not understand what the plan has been. Half of these player we have signed will never see first time football. We also sold hall who is better than cucurella but because he didn't cost us 63 million pounds cucurella gets to stay.
Would like to know what the very knowledgeable eds think about it Ll.
{Ed001's Note - isn't Hall on loan?}